Comments on: First they came for the cigarette smokers http://crispyontheoutside.com/2008/12/12/first-they-came-for-the-cigarette-smokers/ The podcast from Crispy on the Outside (dot com), the irreverent food blog for food outlaws. The latest from the culinary underbelly, including news, interviews, and bluster. Fri, 19 Mar 2010 08:14:24 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: First they came for the cigarette smokers Crispy on the Outside | My Site http://crispyontheoutside.com/2008/12/12/first-they-came-for-the-cigarette-smokers/comment-page-1/#comment-1847 First they came for the cigarette smokers Crispy on the Outside | My Site Mon, 01 Jun 2009 04:11:21 +0000 http://www.crispyontheoutside.com/?p=717#comment-1847 [...] First they came for the cigarette smokers Crispy on the Outside Posted by root 29 minutes ago (http://www.crispyontheoutside.com) They also note that the ban will extend to outdoor seating areas unfairly punishing business owners who invested in patios to comply with the original Discuss  |  Bury |  News | First they came for the cigarette smokers Crispy on the Outside [...] [...] First they came for the cigarette smokers Crispy on the Outside Posted by root 29 minutes ago (http://www.crispyontheoutside.com) They also note that the ban will extend to outdoor seating areas unfairly punishing business owners who invested in patios to comply with the original Discuss  |  Bury |  News | First they came for the cigarette smokers Crispy on the Outside [...]

]]> By: Bob http://crispyontheoutside.com/2008/12/12/first-they-came-for-the-cigarette-smokers/comment-page-1/#comment-1218 Bob Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:22:25 +0000 http://www.crispyontheoutside.com/?p=717#comment-1218 As you can see, they did update the book. The last page instructs them to avoid cetain dates. The Illinois ban started on New Years eve. No raids took place after midnight, so it was clearly obvious the enforcement was non existant. Nearly a year later, it still it. Many small neighborhood bars still ignore the ban with NO customer, worker, or neighbor complaints. The neighbors don't want people gathering on the streets. As you can see, they did update the book. The last page instructs them to avoid cetain dates. The Illinois ban started on New Years eve. No raids took place after midnight, so it was clearly obvious the enforcement was non existant. Nearly a year later, it still it. Many small neighborhood bars still ignore the ban with NO customer, worker, or neighbor complaints. The neighbors don't want people gathering on the streets.

]]> By: Bob http://crispyontheoutside.com/2008/12/12/first-they-came-for-the-cigarette-smokers/comment-page-1/#comment-1217 Bob Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:16:32 +0000 http://www.crispyontheoutside.com/?p=717#comment-1217 If I was a politician, I'd steer clear of any ban legislation until the investigation of the Illinois governors "blagoban is over. The money he receieved and it sources will be made public in the near future. The Illinois ban was a "textbook" ban with little or no public knowledge until AFTER it passes. Here's the textbook.<br><a href="http://www.no-smoke.org/pdf/CIA_Fundamentals.pdf" rel="nofollow">www.no-smoke.org/pdf/CIA_Fundamentals.pdf</a> If I was a politician, I'd steer clear of any ban legislation until the investigation of the Illinois governors “blagoban is over. The money he receieved and it sources will be made public in the near future. The Illinois ban was a “textbook” ban with little or no public knowledge until AFTER it passes. Here's the textbook.
http://www.no-smoke.org/pdf/CIA_Fundamentals.pdf

]]> By: Jessica Lee http://crispyontheoutside.com/2008/12/12/first-they-came-for-the-cigarette-smokers/comment-page-1/#comment-1216 Jessica Lee Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:16:51 +0000 http://www.crispyontheoutside.com/?p=717#comment-1216 The justifications for smoking bans keep shifting and getting more flimsy as their reach expands. At first it was that smoking in airplanes could cause the plane to crash, then that smoking in restaurants was harmful but we will never ban smoking in bars. Then they banned smoking in bars to protect the willing employees from harm. Now they are banning smoking in outdoor areas with no justification other than that they can. <br><br>The freedom to associate is under complete attack. The rulings against <a href="http://roommates.com" rel="nofollow">roommates.com</a> and eHarmony are other recent examples. The justifications for smoking bans keep shifting and getting more flimsy as their reach expands. At first it was that smoking in airplanes could cause the plane to crash, then that smoking in restaurants was harmful but we will never ban smoking in bars. Then they banned smoking in bars to protect the willing employees from harm. Now they are banning smoking in outdoor areas with no justification other than that they can.

The freedom to associate is under complete attack. The rulings against roommates.com and eHarmony are other recent examples.

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