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As a nanny for six years, and a vegetarian, this shows a massive amount of lazy thinking. If you put bland foods like processed pasta or chicken fingers that are advertised on tv and are at major fast food chains (funny how those same foods are also bad for the Earth!) in front of children, that's what they eat. If you wait until "they're ready" then you'll be waiting a long time. Why don't we try waiting till they're ready to be potty trained, too? They can use as many dirty diapers as they want, who cares how unsanitary it is for them and the planet? Or how about we wait until they want to go to bed? Children must know best and don't need to be taught anything, but we must blame adults who make conscious eating decisions based upon information as having "neuroses".

I, meanwhile, think the attitude behind this article demonstrates the neurosis of idolizing children and assuming they don't really need parents at all, and shunning all the complexities of having to live in the world and be aware of who we are and what we're doing to the world around us.

well said - lazy thinking is exactly what this is.

Just to agree with the other vegetarians that have replied here - I love to eat animal products of all types.

I am not a vegetarian because I'm a picky eater, nor do I know of anyone that is a vegetarian that is a picky eater. It's hard to be picky and be a vegetarian because your food choices are already limited in many ways. If you're picky, you're going to wind up eating rice and beans and dying of boredom.

I grew up hunting and helping my uncle slaughter his cattle. My favorite food is menudo. I was always the person that scanned the menu looking for the thing I've never eaten before because I wanted to try it.

Morally, though, I choose not to contribute to the harming of animals to satisfy my desires.

Just to clarify: I have vegetarian friends and enjoy cooking vegetarian for them. I don't have any animus against non-meat-eaters. I don't think non-meat-eaters are picky eaters; I believe they, like me, are subscribing to a particular diet similar to South Beach, Atkins, or what-have-you.

I have known vegans, however, and I've generally found them to be knotted balls of anxiety. None of my friends are vegans.

Personally this sounds just like, "I have known gay men, however, and they ..." in other words, an overly broad generalization that is informed by your own sample size, not actually related being a vegan or a gay man.

OK, we're going to play like that. Yay internets!

When you cut out two entire food groups, it would seem to cross from personal preference to deprivation diet, which I've written about here. I couldn't ask for a better example of what I mean than the comments of Acerbus 3. He wants to eat meat and dairy but instead hangs himself on the cross for our (alleged) sins. Nobody asked him to do it and nobody cares but he chooses to deprive himself anyway. I think that's a little... neurotic.

Why didn't you respond to my post, instead of criticizing me in this one? Weird!

Anyway I do not see veganism as some sort of martyrdom. I know the facts about where my food comes from, and I cannot reconcile funding the torture of animals and the destruction of the environment. That's it. I won't pay someone else to torture animals. Out of sight out of mind no longer works for me in this case.

I wish omnivores would explain to me why it is acceptable to support such an indefensible industry - instead all we get is "vegans are neurotic", "humans are meant to be omnivores", "vegans are irritating" and other cop-outs.

You went from generalizing based on a small population to generalizing based on an individual. That's making your argument weaker, not stronger.

Let's assume Acerbus 3's behavior is neurotic. That doesn't say anything at all about vegans any more than it says anything about all Acerbuses (men/women, internet posters, etc.).

Veganism is nothing like the diet of the individuals you wrote about in the other article. Vegan meals are just like any other meal. When prepared well (like at Millenium in San Francisco) vegan meals are amazing. When prepared poorly, they taste bad.

Again, your attitude towards veganism seems to be more from lack of exposure then from knowledge of the subject.

More omnivores criticizing vegans because they don't want to take a look at the truth about meat production/consumption in this country.

The truth is that as much as we may deny it, many vegans love the taste/smell/etc. of animal products. Vegans don't eat animal products because animals are brutally tortured to produce them, and the production of them is catastrophic for the environment. That's it. I think that many vegans struggle with the temptations of meat, dairy, animal products...and so a coping mechanism that many of them use is to be very outward about not liking steak, leather, cheese, etc. That turns off a lot of omnivores, and maybe it isn't the most cooth thing to do.

But you know what? Vegans are taking one for the team here. Vegans are taking responsibility and DOING something about a big big problem in the world. And what do omnivores do? They criticize us and point to the fact that humans are omnivorous animals and blah blah blah. None of which are the POINT at all. If animals were raised in a sustainable and humane way, I would have no problem with that. But they aren't - and they can't be if we continue producing the amount of animal products that we currently use.

oh and one more thing: "...but I do think some of the extreme types, like vegans, are adult picky eaters who wrap their neuroses in an ideological flag."

That is awfully offensive to me, as a vegan. I LOVE meat and cheese man. LOVE THEM. Ate them all my life until the last few years when I converted to veganism. I converted because I learned the truth about animal production. I learned about the torture - confinement, mutilation, pain, and suffering that production animals go through. Meat AND Dairy...dairy is really no better in this regard than meat.

The bottom line is that omnivores pay people to do things to animals that 99% of you would never do with your own two hands - because you would find it to be cruel and inhuman and stomach-turning.

This sounds like more DSM madness.

Most Italians would struggle to eat the sort of food that's served up in many American homes - not because they're mentally disturbed, but because they value well cooked meals made from freshly prepared and good quality ingredients.

There seems no clear way of distinguishing between those who are neurotically restrictive in their eating habits and those who simply have different standards to the norm, yet the new DSM guideline seems thoroughly committed to ensuring that everyone has at least one mental health disorder to be classified under.

No doubt when psychologists decide they need yet more patients they'll decide that those individuals happy to eat unpleasant tasting food are very seriously ill too.

Most of the vegetarians I know long for meat at one point or another, but don't eat it because they know it's bad for them - morally, hormonally, whatever. They also don't look at me and go, "Yuck," when I have a steak. They're more likely to sigh, and say, "Man, I remember when I could enjoy that."

So I agree with you on your line-drawing through the non-meat community. The last vegan I spent a lot of time with said, "Yuck" out loud when someone mentioned leather. Would criticize others' food choices. It was an outward thing.

I'm sure there are laid back vegans and insanely strict, evangelical vegetarians. But in my personal experience, it's always been the opposite.

Then that vegan isn't polite. I have inadvertently made six vegetarians since I became one at the age of 12. I don't preach, and I don't think about it too much, but the smell of flesh revolts me. I invite people to cook it in my kitchen, I never ask for people to go out of their way for me, and yet I truly, truly think it is gross, especially the way we raise animals today. I wait to be asked about it, I explain it calmly and ignore insults. And a lot of people have been affected by that approach, it seems, and become vegetarians and/or become more into ethical food (which means also not eating food that involves the abuse of immigrant workers, for example).

My point, long-winded as it is, is that not all of us yearn for a steak. Some of us do find it gross, and we won't tell you, or we'll indulge your crowing about it so as not to take away from your experience.

That person saying "yuck" is probably just trying to cope with the fact that they are tempted by something they find so morally objectionable. One often must continually reinf0rce (to themselves) the fact that animal products are not ok, so that they don't give into temptation.

Maybe that isn't the most polite thing to do, or the coolest way to interact. I agree. But carelessly supporting the meat/dairy/animal product industrial complex - even though animals are brutally tortured and the environment is catastrophically damaged as a result - is much worse than being an uncooth dinner guest in my view.

As a vegan, I'm not neurotic about my diet; I'm quite comfortable with it and have been for over a decade.

It is tiring to read the anti-vegetarian brigade in food criticism circles dissect veganism as if it indicates some sort of psychological deficiency or, as is the case here, stunted development. Frankly, most vegetarians, and yes, vegans, are made of much more adventurous, exploratory, and self-reliant stuff than the typical omnivore. Vegans get tons of abuse for their dietary choices; none of the arguments against that choice on the merits are very compelling so it often degrades into these sort of gratuitous insults. Obviously not all vegans are strident assholes, though the characterization is convenient for anti-vegetarian foodies like yourself.

There are no picky eaters, just parents who didn't know how to lay down the law. If the parents of these "adults" had not given in to their desires, they wouldn't be so picky today.

My parents laid down the law. They didn't give me any choice other than what was put on my plate. If I didn't want to eat it, then surely, they reasoned, hunger would force me to eat it. It didn't. I'd wait until either the next meal and then eat what I liked on the plate and ignore the rest, or wait until kindergarten and snacktime. I chose hunger over food. Many times, I still do.

There are people who have sensitive taste buds, look up "super tasters", so there is a biological component to people's taste without it having to be a neurological problem.

Is it possible that these neuroses are also caused by indulgent parenting and an overabundance of cheap food? I am not trying to comment on the particulars of your own parenting of a picky eater, but I have seen other parents bend over backwards to procure a steady diet of chicken fingers for kids, when other food has been already prepared for them and rejected.

In our house we don't force our kids to eat all their food if they don't want to, but we also don't provide alternatives. We find that hunger is a powerful motivator.